Comments for Consuming Fire http://conditionalism.net/blog Conditionalism Mortalism Physicalism Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:27:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 Comment on Randy Alcorn Takes John Stott Out of Context by Episode 21: Response to Matt Waymeyer (Part 2) | Rethinking Hell http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/07/taking-john-stott-out-of-context/#comment-3931 Episode 21: Response to Matt Waymeyer (Part 2) | Rethinking Hell Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:27:43 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=165#comment-3931 [...] “Randy Alcorn Takes John Stott Out of Context,” by Ronnie D. [...] [...] “Randy Alcorn Takes John Stott Out of Context,” by Ronnie D. [...]

]]> Comment on Conditionalism and The Second Council of Constantinople by Episode 20: A Response to Matt Waymeyer’s Annihilation Lecture at Shepherd’s Conference 2012 | Rethinking Hell http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/03/conditionalism-and-the-second-council-of-constantinople/#comment-3824 Episode 20: A Response to Matt Waymeyer’s Annihilation Lecture at Shepherd’s Conference 2012 | Rethinking Hell Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:12:34 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=8#comment-3824 [...] Conditionalism and The Second Council of Constantinople (conditionalism.net/blog) [...] [...] Conditionalism and The Second Council of Constantinople (conditionalism.net/blog) [...]

]]> Comment on How to Legally Obtain a Free Digital Copy of The Conditionalist Faith of Our Fathers by Greg http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/04/how-to-legally-obtain-a-free-digital-copy-of-the-conditionalist-faith-of-our-fathers/#comment-3673 Greg Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:12:31 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=44#comment-3673 I followed your instructions above but when I open the files in Firefox it says there are over a thousand pages in each one but they are all blank. I have downloaded everything about 3 times and still cannot see the pages. Also did it in IE. I followed your instructions above but when I open the files in Firefox it says there are over a thousand pages in each one but they are all blank. I have downloaded everything about 3 times and still cannot see the pages. Also did it in IE.

]]> Comment on What Part of “Will Consume” Did You Not Understand? by Darrell http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/09/what-part-of-will-consume-did-you-not-understand/#comment-3011 Darrell Sun, 06 Jan 2013 04:17:52 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=208#comment-3011 One can also look at Psalms 37:20 as well: "But the wicked will perish: Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke." Couple this with Malachi 4:1 - Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them." Among dozens and dozens more and we see that the fire will indeed consume. Unquenchable fire like that that destroyed Jerusalem (But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.’” - Jeremiah 17:27)will be complete and total in what it is consuming because it cannot be 'quenched' or 'put out'. One can also look at Psalms 37:20 as well:
“But the wicked will perish:
Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.”

Couple this with Malachi 4:1 – Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.”

Among dozens and dozens more and we see that the fire will indeed consume. Unquenchable fire like that that destroyed Jerusalem (But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.’” – Jeremiah 17:27)will be complete and total in what it is consuming because it cannot be ‘quenched’ or ‘put out’.

]]> Comment on Torture by Answering Brent Riggs on annihilationism | Rethinking Hell http://conditionalism.net/blog/2012/10/torture/#comment-2223 Answering Brent Riggs on annihilationism | Rethinking Hell Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:49:45 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=316#comment-2223 [...] Demler, R. (2012, October 5). “Torture.” Consuming Fire [blog]. http://conditionalism.net/blog/2012/10/torture/ [...] [...] Demler, R. (2012, October 5). “Torture.” Consuming Fire [blog]. http://conditionalism.net/blog/2012/10/torture/ [...]

]]> Comment on R.C. Sproul on Hell: Wrong Five Times in Just Four Paragraphs by Torture | Consuming Fire http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/04/r-c-sproul-on-hell-wrong-five-times-in-just-four-paragraphs/#comment-1907 Torture | Consuming Fire Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:02:55 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=19#comment-1907 [...] But it’s precisely these differences that arguably make “torture” a more fitting word than “torment” to describe the traditional view. On that view, the pain which God inflicts on the damned is both physical and mental, it lasts an extremely long time (forever), and is more intense than can even be imagined. In fact, some traditionalists are fond of saying that the torments of hell are much worse than the descriptions of burning found in Scripture (see, for instance, #7 here or B here). [...] [...] But it’s precisely these differences that arguably make “torture” a more fitting word than “torment” to describe the traditional view. On that view, the pain which God inflicts on the damned is both physical and mental, it lasts an extremely long time (forever), and is more intense than can even be imagined. In fact, some traditionalists are fond of saying that the torments of hell are much worse than the descriptions of burning found in Scripture (see, for instance, #7 here or B here). [...]

]]> Comment on Erasing Hell is Actually a Decent Book by Erasing Hell : Podcast from RethinkingHell.com - Afterlife http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/06/erasing-hell-is-actually-a-decent-book/#comment-1834 Erasing Hell : Podcast from RethinkingHell.com - Afterlife Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:40:27 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=134#comment-1834 [...] see Erasing Hell Review on Afterlife by Jefferson Vann and Conditionalism.net/blog ’s  review of Erasing Hell ( which is mentioned in the interview) [...] [...] see Erasing Hell Review on Afterlife by Jefferson Vann and Conditionalism.net/blog ’s  review of Erasing Hell ( which is mentioned in the interview) [...]

]]> Comment on What is Conditionalism? by Les Godbold http://conditionalism.net/blog/what-is-conditionalism-2/#comment-1822 Les Godbold Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:21:50 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?page_id=60#comment-1822 Thanks for your reply Ronnie. I have talked to my pastor, even though he doesn't like to be called "pastor"! I use the term cause I still haven't gotten used to "servant leader"! Anyway, he is big on the modern church being delivered from religious bondage. He sez the Fathers' cry in this hour is to "Let My People Go". Which I'm totally I on board with, I spent 24 yrs in and out of the church, looking for Jesus. So, I'm like, if you're gonna say "Let My People Go", don't you think it would behoove us to deliver them from this sadistic doctrine of eternal damnation? I then referenced the above Spurgeon litany of S.I.T.H.O.A.A.G. He said that sermon was for the lost, not the church, and that the lost are in danger of hell. So I say, Yeah, I agree, the law is the law, and if you are not redeemed by the blood you are gonna pay the piper. The lost will suffer and pay their just recompense, and then they will DIE. Like dead dead. I shared that during all those years I struggled to find the Jesus of the bible, that I was hurting because of my sin, and the sin of my parents. Abandonment and shame issues from childhood plagued me with depression and anger and fear and hopelessness. I mentioned, that sometimes, had I not had the anesthisia of drugs to dull the pain, i would have killed myself. If Mr. Spugeon had come along and told me I was being dangled over a pit of fire, I would have told THAT god to kiss my a**. What? I'm gonna get hurt cause I'm hurting? I'm gonna suffer pain because I cannot escape from pain? I've read most of the posts on this site, and you guys are really smart. Sometimes my head spins from the depths to which you guys dive! But I don't have to read the arguments. I only know what I know. After living nearly half a century in darkness, I have been delivered into His marvelous light. I believe perhaps that I found Jesus a very long time ago, but I had a particular road to travel to be shaped for His purpose. It was long, and painful. But it brought me to the end of my self. I was tapped out, finis. I could not take one more step in this world without divine intervention. And we know what happened then. Only one thing do I desire, to gaze upon His beauty. I never did get past "then death and hell were cast into the lake of fire" with my servant freind. His hand was the one God used to bring me in to my rest. I was afraid to go any further with it, I was afraid of what he would say. How would I rebuke this mighty man of God? And he is one. I've been around the block many times. I've seen the real and the fake, and the wannabes, this dude is the genuine article. A disciple full of humiliy, and grace, and power. I'm sure we will finish the conversation one day, I don't think I'll do any rebuking. Again, thank-you for your time and thoughtful response. Thanks for your reply Ronnie. I have talked to my pastor, even though he doesn’t like to be called “pastor”! I use the term cause I still haven’t gotten used to “servant leader”! Anyway, he is big on the modern church being delivered from religious bondage. He sez the Fathers’ cry in this hour is to “Let My People Go”. Which I’m totally I on board with, I spent 24 yrs in and out of the church, looking for Jesus. So, I’m like, if you’re gonna say “Let My People Go”, don’t you think it would behoove us to deliver them from this sadistic doctrine of eternal damnation? I then referenced the above Spurgeon litany of S.I.T.H.O.A.A.G. He said that sermon was for the lost, not the church, and that the lost are in danger of hell. So I say, Yeah, I agree, the law is the law, and if you are not redeemed by the blood you are gonna pay the piper. The lost will suffer and pay their just recompense, and then they will DIE. Like dead dead.
I shared that during all those years I struggled to find the Jesus of the bible, that I was hurting because of my sin, and the sin of my parents. Abandonment and shame issues from childhood plagued me with depression and anger and fear and hopelessness. I mentioned, that sometimes, had I not had the anesthisia of drugs to dull the pain, i would have killed myself. If Mr. Spugeon had come along and told me I was being dangled over a pit of fire, I would have told THAT god to kiss my a**. What? I’m gonna get hurt cause I’m hurting? I’m gonna suffer pain because I cannot escape from pain? I’ve read most of the posts on this site, and you guys are really smart. Sometimes my head spins from the depths to which you guys dive! But I don’t have to read the arguments. I only know what I know. After living nearly half a century in darkness, I have been delivered into His marvelous light. I believe perhaps that I found Jesus a very long time ago, but I had a particular road to travel to be shaped for His purpose. It was long, and painful. But it brought me to the end of my self. I was tapped out, finis. I could not take one more step in this world without divine intervention. And we know what happened then. Only one thing do I desire, to gaze upon His beauty. I never did get past “then death and hell were cast into the lake of fire” with my servant freind. His hand was the one God used to bring me in to my rest. I was afraid to go any further with it, I was afraid of what he would say. How would I rebuke this mighty man of God? And he is one. I’ve been around the block many times. I’ve seen the real and the fake, and the wannabes, this dude is the genuine article. A disciple full of humiliy, and grace, and power. I’m sure we will finish the conversation one day, I don’t think I’ll do any rebuking. Again, thank-you for your time and thoughtful response.

]]> Comment on Erasing Hell is Actually a Decent Book by Episode 5: Erasing Hell with Preston Sprinkle | Rethinking Hell http://conditionalism.net/blog/2011/06/erasing-hell-is-actually-a-decent-book/#comment-1815 Episode 5: Erasing Hell with Preston Sprinkle | Rethinking Hell Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:43:32 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/blog/?p=134#comment-1815 [...] review of Erasing Hell at [...] [...] review of Erasing Hell at [...]

]]> Comment on About by Ronnie http://conditionalism.net/blog/about/#comment-1800 Ronnie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:37:35 +0000 http://conditionalism.net/wordpress/?page_id=2#comment-1800 Thanks Roger, I'll definitely check it out. Thanks Roger, I’ll definitely check it out.

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